Descendants of

Robert Penny and Ann Monteath

m. 1835, Dollar, Clackmannanshire.


Generation#1


The marriage of Robert Penny (spelling in records) and Ann Monteath (spelling variations) was recorded at Dollar Parish Church:

Dollar 19 Sept 1835
Robert Penny and Ann Monteath both of this Parish gave their names and were proclaimed in order to marriage.

Robert Penny was born between 1802 - 1807 according to 1841 census of Dollar, Clackmannan.  Although he was born in Scotland the census suggests that he was not born in Clackmannanshire.  A Robert Penny born to William Penny  and Janet Watt was christened in Logie, Perth (now Blairlogie and bordering Clackmannan county) in 1804.

April 2 1804
Born Robert lawful son to William Penny and Janet Watt at Airthrie Castell.  N.B. Bapt. 15th said month.

Records show children born to William Penny and Janet Watt were:

2:1 William Penny, 1802, Stirling
2:2 Robert Penny, 2 April 1804, Logie (probably my gtx2 grandfather)
2:3 Helen Pennie, 5 April 1806,Cuddie Loan,Tillicoultry
2:4 William Pennie, 2 June 1808, Cuddie Loan, Tillicoultry

Robert and his wife Ann Monteith named their second daughter Janet and their first son William.  If this was in keeping with the Scottish naming tradition (first son named after the paternal grandfather, second son after the maternal grandfather; first daughter after maternal grandmother, second daughter after paternal grandmother) it then confirms the possibility of William Penny and Janet Watt  as his parents.  The family of William Penny and Janet Watt moved from Stirling to Logie to Tillicoultry as shown by the birthplaces of their offspring - all villages in close proximity to Dollar.


Ann Monteith’s (sic) birth was registered as 16th January 1803, Dollar, Clackmannan, daughter of William Monteith and Helen Ord.  The family of William Monteith (a millwright at Mr Haig’s bleachfield, Nether Mains)  and Helen Orr (Ord) all born at Dollar were:

2:1 Peter Monteith, 14 June 1801, Dollar; d. 21 April 1821, Dollar
2:2 Ann Monteith, 16 Jan 1803, Dollar (my gtx2 grandmother)
2:3 John Monteith, 29 Sept 1805, Dollar
2:4 Helen Monteith, 30 Oct 1807, Dollar; d.16 April 1821, Dollar
2:5 William Monteith, 16 Aug 1810, Dollar; d. 15 May 1882,  Stirling District Asylum, Larbert
2:6 George Monteith, 17 Nov 1812, Dollar
2:7 Thomas Monteith, 26 Nov 1816, Dollar; d. 4 Jan 1880, Williamstown, Vic., Australia
2:8 James Monteath, 20 April 1820, Dollar;
d. 30 May 1857, Barnhill Poors' House, Glasgow
2:9 Helen Monteath, 22 Nov 1825, Dollar; d. 1856, Dollar

Generation#2



Robert Penny's occupation as noted in their children's baptismal records was Plasterer.  Before his marriage to Ann Monteath in 1835 these entries were made in Dollar Parish  records:

Dollar Session House Augt 3rd 1834

This day the Session met and constituted the Revd. Dr Mylne Moderator Sedecunt with him Robert Kirk and William Gibson, Elders compeared Widow Taylor and confissed she is with child - on being asked by the Moderator who she named as the father of her child Answered that Robert Penny Plaisterer in Blairngone is the father of her child ~The Session order their Clerk to request the Kirk Session of Fossoway to Summon the Above Robert Penny to appear here on Sabbath first the 10th Inst after sermon .  The woman was Summoned & told to attend on that day ~ Closed with Prayer.

Dollar 10th Augt 1834

This day the Session met and Constituted the Revd. Dr Mylne Moderate Sedecunt with him William Gibson and Robert Kirk, Elders ~ Compeared Widow Taylor and adhered to her former declaration Vizt. That Robert Penny Plaisterer in Blairngone is the Father of the Child of which she is now pregnant ~ Robert Penny being called Compeared ~ on being  asked if he is the Father of Widow Taylor's Child answered  he is not and likewise declares he never had any carnal conexion with the Widow Taylor ~ The Session agree to delay the farther consideration of this case till the woman bring forward some proof against this man. ~~~ Closed with Prayer.

A baptism entry in Dollar records 1836:

13 May 1836 - Wm. Penny - natural son of Rbt Penny, Plaisterer & Margt Muirhead - born 3  Oct 1834 and being baptised this day in the Manse the mother being the Sponsor.

(N.B. Margaret Muirhead was widow of George Taylor who died 14 May 1826 at Dollar)

A later entry suggests that Robert and Ann Monteath's first daughter, Ann was born prior to these events and that she was baptised in nearby Fossoway in 1831.

Ann Penny - 20 March 1831, Fossoway
Ann - daughter of Rbt Penny, Plaisterer  & Ann Monteath, his wife born 16 January Inst and baptised this day by Revd Peter Brydie.  N.B. This child was born in Dollar but the Name not given to be registered in the proper place.

The family of Robert Penny and Ann Monteath:

2:2:1 Ann Penny, 16 Jan 1831, Dollar
2:2:2 Janet Penny, 1 Dec 1835, Dollar
2:2:3 Helen Penny, 1 Feb 1837, Dollar
2:2:4 Jean (Jane) Penny, 29 Dec 1838, Dollar
2:2:5 William Penny, 25 April 1842, Dollar
2:2:6 Robert Penny, 23 April 1843, Dollar (my great grandfather)

In 1841 census the family was living at Dollar New (Town South side).  Father, Robert Penny died on 24 Feb 1847 and was buried at Dollar on  27 Feb.
In 1851 the widowed Ann was also sheltering her nephew James Kelly and year old granddaughter Ann Syme, illegitimate daughter of Ann Penny.  James Kelly was the 5 year old son of her sister  Helen Kelly (nee Monteith) who had died in 1856.  At 1861 census Ann Monteath, widow, 57, Bleachfield worker was living at Bleachfield Road, Dollar.  Her 4 adult daughters were also residing there along 5 grandchildren, illegitimate offspring of daughters Ann and Janet.  By 1871 Ann was living at Strathbungo (near Glasgow) with her daughter Helen (Ellen), son-in-law Robert Dewar and family.  She died at Strathbungo of "Old Age" on 4 April 1874.  Robert Dewar was the informant.

Bleachfield Dollarfield

In late 1780s William Haig leased land on the banks of the Devon River and established a bleachfield.  Bleaching of linen at this time used sour milk, exposure to sunlight, mechanical beating, boiling and rinsing with water.  These requirements were met by the close proximity of Dollarbeg farm, large areas of  flat ground for exposure on the banks of the Devon (river also diverted into lades for power), coal from the mine at Dollarfield and clean water from Dollar Burn.  Haig later introduced chemical bleaching with sulphuric acid and later chlorine and won awards for developing the process.
The linen came in swathes of from 40 – 100 yards from Dunfermline, Kirkcaldy and later Freuchier and Northern Ireland.  Scots linen was notoriously dirty as in early times it was woven in smoky weavers’ cottages.  Latches were sewn on to the linen at 2 yard intervals so it could be handled and hung from posts in the fields.  “ Such rows of rippling cloth must have made the fields by the Devon an impressive sight”


2:2:1 Ann Penny, the first born child appears to have been born sometime before her parents marriage in 1835.  Her baptism was recorded in Dollar parish records with entries for 1836 and suggest that she was in fact baptised at Fossoway, a nearby parish in 1831.  

In 1851 she was living with her mother and siblings along with her illegitimate daughter Ann Syme aged 1 year.  In 1861 Ann Penny, unmarried, 31, washerwoman, her 11 year old daughter, Ann Syme, and 3 further possibly illegitimate children (Jean Drummond, 7, Daniel Hamilton, 3, and Agnes Hamilton, aged 1 month), were all living at her mother's (Ann Monteath) residence at Bleachfield Road, Dollar.  At Dollar on 17 January 1863  Ann, domestic servant, delivered a son,  John Penny  - no father was recorded.  Baby John died aged 3 weeks - his aunt Helen Penny was the informant. 

On  11 December 1863,  Ann (32, domestic servant) married John Buchanan (21, cabinet maker) at her residence 34 Carnegie Street, Edinburgh after Banns according to the forms of the Free Church of Scotland.  On 21 February 1873 Ann, now a widow and wool factory worker, 42, married Robert Robertson, widower, Journeyman baker, 56, at her usual residence, Ladhope, County of Roxburgh.  Ann lived the remainder of her life at Devonside,Tillicoultry, Clackmannanshire where she died 1 March 1897 of heart failure and dropsy.

Ann Penny's children:

        2:2:1:1 Ann Syme, c. 1850, Dollar
        2:2:1:2 Jean (Jane) Drummond, c. 1852, Dollar
        2:2:1:3 Daniel Hamilton, 7 Jan 1858, Dollar
        2:2:1:4 Agnes Hamilton (Buchanan), 20 Feb 1861, Dollar
        2:2:1:5 John Penny, 17 Jan 1863, Dollar; d. Feb 1863, Dollar.


2:2:1:1 Annie Syme married John Hunter, Woollen weaver, at her mother's residence Magdala Terrace, Ladhope on 9 February 1872.  Her father's name she gave as Thomas Syme, farmer (deceased).  Annie Hunter (Syme) died at 78 Cairnton Street, Tillicoultry on 8 August 1880 aged 31 years of Phthisis pulmomalis (TB).  (Father on this document was given as Henry Syme.)

2:2:1:2 Jane Drummond married Peter Mackie at Govan, Glasgow on 31 December 1872.  They moved to Blantyre sometime after their second son was born in Motherwell in 1873.  Peter Mackie was killed in the Blantyre Pit explosion on 22 October, 1877 along with 220 other men and boys.  Their third son was born the following year.  Jane Drummond  married another coal miner, John Rankin, at Blantyre in 1879 and the couple had 6 more children.  Jane died at 5 Holyrood Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire on 25 October 1927. ( 50 years almost to the day of the Blantyre disaster)

2:2:1:3 Daniel Hamilton was born at Dollar Mains, illegitimate son of Daniel Hamilton, Tile maker and Ann Penny.  Both parents signed the registration  although the father was recorded as "not present " at the birth.  Daniel Hamilton, aged 3 years, was recorded in 1861 census at Bleachfield Street but at 1871 census  he was living in Dollar with his father Daniel Hamilton and his wife Christina. In 1877 Daniel now a bricklayer, like his father, was living  in Glasgow and here he married tailoress, Isabella Mowat  "according to the Forms of the Roman Catholic Church".  He gave his mother's name as Ann Penny although she was described as deceased.  By 1881 Daniel and Isabella were living in Muckhart,Perthshire where they appear to have raised a family of 4 children.  

2:2:1:4 Agnes Hamilton, illegitimate, daughter of Ann Penny was born at Upper Mains, Dollar.  Father, Daniel Hamilton, Brick and Tile manufacturer, again signed the birth certificate but was "not present" at the birth.  At 1871 census Agnes, aged 11 years, was living with her now widowed mother Ann Buchanan at Magdala Terrace, Ladhope.  She now had taken the name of her (deceased) step-father and was recorded as Agnes Buchanan.  Agnes Buchanan married William Dawson, Cabinetmaker on 8 August 1879 at Tillicoultry.  They appear to have had 3 children but by 1891 Agnes was a widow, aged 32 years, working as a Tweed weaver.  Agnes and the 3 children were living at Devonside, Tillicoultry with her mother Ann Robertson (now widowed for the second time and listed as a charwoman).  Mrs Agnes Dawson sailed to Canada on ss Ionian in November 1911 with her daughter Annie and son-in-law James Cook bound for Kingston, Ontario to join her son John, a clergyman.  Her daughter Jean S Dawson was also living in Kingston where was working as a nurse.

2:2:1:5 John Penny:  died aged 3 weeks.

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2:2:2 Janet Penny at 1861 census was living  with her mother and sisters at Bleachfield Road, described as aged 25, unmarried and a Bleachfield worker.  Her 5 year old illegitimate son, Donald McDonald, was also living with them.  On 26 February 1863, Janet Penny delivered illegitimate twin daughters, Georgina and Jemima at Ochilton Street, Dollar.  No father's name was recorded.  Janet Penney(sic), bleachfield worker, registered the birth of her illegitimate son, Robert Penney(sic), 5 June 1870 and in 1875 the birth of her illegitimate son, John Penny, both born at Ochilton Street.  

At 1871 census Janet was recorded as a boarder and General Domestic servant, unmarried, aged 34, at the home of Andrew Scott, Railway labourer, Rackmill Road, Dollar.  Andrew's wife, Catherine Lambert, appears to have died in childbirth in 1860.  There were 5 children listed at the census  - the 3 youngest children were: Georgina and Jemima Scott  (daughters aged 8 years) and a son Robert Scott ( aged 10 months) - almost certainly the children of Janet Penny.

At 1881 census Janet Penny was at Rackmill Road, Ochilton Place, Dollar and still a servant.  Also at Rackmill Road, Andrew Scott, widower, brickmaker and his 18 year old "daughters" Georgina and Jemima Scott, domestic servants, and his "sons", Robert Scott aged 10 years and John Scott aged 5 years.

In 1891 Janet Penny was still a "boarder"  and General domestic servant at the residence of Andrew Scott, general labourer, James Place, Dollar.  Her children were no longer listed with the family.  Andrew's unmarried daughter, Catherine, was still living with him and 2 grandsons from Alloa.
Janet Penny died at Ochilton Road, Dollar on 24 September 1901 and was described as single, laundress, aged 64y.  She died of heart failure and the informant was Annie McKay, niece, who was present and gave her residence as 106 Stanley Street, Kinningpark, Glasgow.   Annie (Dewar) McKay was daughter of Janet's sister Helen Dewar.

Janet's children:

        2:2:2:1 Donald Penny (McDonald),  2 March 1856, Dollar
        2:2:2:2 Georgina Penny, (Scott), 26 Feb 1863, Dollar
        2:2:2:3 Jemima Penny (Scott), 26 Feb 1863, Dollar
        2:2:2:4 Robert Penney (Scott),  5 June 1870, Dollar
        2:2:2:5 John Penny (Scott), 25 Oct 1875, Dollar

Jemima and Georgina Scott sailed from Glasgow to New York aboard  the "Devonia" arriving 21 June 1887.   At 1900 census they were listed as servants to Mary C. Bell  an 80 year old single woman who owned a home at 127 North Broadway, Yonkers City, NY.  


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2:2:3 Helen Penny delivered a daughter Helen Penny, 1 June 1862, Dollar - no father registered.  She married Robert Dewar, a mason (Journeyman), on 5 December 1862 and they moved to Strathbungo where 5 more children were born.

At 1871 census the Dewar family was living at Neilson's Land, Pollokshaws Road, Strathbungo in the parish of Govan(Glasgow).  With them was Helen's mother, Ann Penney(sic) and 17 year old niece, Jean Drummond.  

On 28 November 1879 Robert Dewar died of Phthisis (TB) aged 40 years, and at 1881 census the widow Helen, working as a Laundress, and her 6 children were still at Pollokshaws Road at Campbells Land Back.  Her 2 older daughters were employed as Power Loom weavers and 14 year old son John was a Baker's message boy.  This may have been for his uncle Robert Penney who, with his wife Sarah Carmichael and family, was also living at Campbell's Land Back at this time.

On 2 December 1881 Helen Dewar (Penny) married John McEwan, a widower and Cooper Carter at Campbell's Land.  John died in 1883 and on 25 November 1887, Helen McEwan married Robert Hiddleston, widower and a journeyman Mason.  They both gave their usual residence as Campbell's Land, Strathbungo and were married "according to the forms of the Church of Scotland" at 5 Abbotsford Place, Glasgow.  Helen's brother, Robert Penney witnessed the event.

Helen Hiddleston was "found dead in bed" on 28 September1888 at Campbell's Land, Strathbungo.  She was aged 48 years and cause of death was "probably Apoplexy".  Her daughter Annie Dewar signed as Informant.

The family of Helen Penny and Robert Dewar:

        2:2:3:1 Helen Penny (Dewar), 1 June 1862, Dollar
        2:2:3:2 Ann (Annie) Dewar, 12 April 1864, Strathbungo
        2:2:3:3 John Dewar, 27 May 1866, Strathbungo
        2:2:3:4 Christina Dewar, 8 June 1868, Strathbungo
        2:2:3:5 Janet Dewar, 13 June 1870, Strathbungo
        2:2:3:6 Elizabeth Dewar, 25 July 1872, Strathbungo


2:2:3:1 Helen (Ellen) Dewar, Power loom weaver, married John Fisher, Plumber (journeyman) at Kinning Park in 1882.  She died on 1 October, 1883 at Campbell's Land, Strathbungo of Phthisis pulmonalis (TB) aged 21 years.

2:2:3:2 Annie Dewar, Power Loom weaver, married Hugh McKay, Hammerman (operated a hammer in a shipyard or foundry), at 14 Matilda Terrace, Strathbungo, on 29 December 1888.  At 1891 census they were living at 106 Stanley Street, Kinning Park, Govan.  Living with them were 9 months old daughter, Nellie (Helen Penny McKay), Annie's 5 year old niece, Agnes Dewar (illegitimate daughter of her deceased sister, Christina) and Annie's 2 youngest sisters, Janet, 20 years and Lizzie, 18 years.

In 1901 Hugh and Annie McKay were still at 106 Stanley Street, Kinning Park with their 7 year old daughter, Lizzie (Elizabeth Forrest McKay).  Their first daughter Helen had died in 1892, aged 2 years.  Hugh McKay died in 1903 and on 11 October 1904 Annie married Samuel Elliott, a widower with 5 sons.  Samuel died in 1919 and Annie is reported to have emigrated with her son probably to Canada.  An Annie D Elliott, 56 years, and a William Elliott, 11 years, sailed from Glasgow to Montreal arriving 2 July 1920 aboard S.S. Pretorian en route to her daughter Mrs R G Fleming, Holbein, Saskatchewan.

2:2:3:3 John Dewar:  At 1881 census John was recorded as 14 year old message boy and appears to have emigrated to USA circa 1888.  He married Edith Jane Tryhane at Orange, Essex, New Jersey in 1898.  Edith had been born in Barbados, West  Indies and in 1900 and 1910 the family was still living in West Orange, NJ where John was employed as a Coachman for a private family.  In 1930 the family was at Newark, NJ  and John was now a Janitor at Westinghouse.  John and Edith raised 2 sons - Douglas Tryhane Dewar and Raymond Clarence Dewar.

2:2:3:4 Christina Dewar, Power Loom Weaver, delivered her illegitimate daughter, Agnes Dewar, at 183 Aitkenhead Road, Govanhill, Hutchesontown on 6 October, 1885.  She married John Kain (sic), Starch work labourer, in 1886 at Hutchesontown, Lanarkshire.   Christina Kane (sic) died a pauper at the Govan Poorhouse in 1889 aged 20 years of Phthisis.  Her sister, Annie McKay signed as Informant.

2:2:3:5 Janet Dewar:  Janet at 1891 census was a Tobacconist's shopwoman living at 106 Stanley Street, Kinning Park, Govan.  She was living at this address in 1897 at her marriage to George Gilburd, shipping clerk, who also gave this address as his residence.  Janet died in 1919 at Govan, Glasgow.  

2:2:3:6 Elizabeth Dewar: Lizzie Dewar, aged 18 years, Coloured Weaver was living with McKay family at 106 Stanley Street, Govan in 1891.  On 12 October 1894, Lizzie married John Anderson, a shipping clerk but she died at home 134 Aitkenhead Road, Glasgow 21 January 1896 aged 23 years.  She had suffered from Phthisis Pulmonalis for 7 months and Intestinal Tuberculosis for 1 month.

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2:2:4 Jean Penny at 1861 census was a bleachfield worker living with her mother, Ann Monteath, and sisters at Bleachfield Road, Dollar.  

 Prior to 1871 Jean married Joseph Bane Hall, a Hatter (journeyman) and they had a son George Robert Hall  who was born in New York State early in 1869.  At 1871 census, Jane(sic) Penny and 2 year old George Hall were lodging at Neilson's Land, Pollockshaws Road, Govan.  Jane was described as married and a Washerwoman.

George Robert Hall died at Magdala Terrace, Ladhope (the home of Jean's sister, Ann Buchanan, nee Penny) on 4 November 1871.  He died of Tuberculosis aged 2 years, 10 months - his mother was present and signed with her mark X as Informant.  (It is of interest that Jean (Jane) was the only Penny sibling that was unable to write).


Joseph Bane Hall was reported to have died in Boston, USA in July 1872.

On 19 December 1873, Jean delivered an illegitimate daughter, Jessie Penny or Hall at Dixon Road, Govan.  Jean's occupation was Washer and Dresser and she signed with her mark X.  
 Jessie Penny was living with her aunt Ann Robertson (Penny) at Devonside, Tillicoultry in 1881 and 1891 and died there on 17 October 1893, aged 19 years.  No father was listed for her and her mother Jane Penny, Domestic Servant was reportedly deceased.  Her aunt, Ann Robertson was "Present" and signed as Informant.

Jean Penny seemingly died prior to 1893 but no details have been found.

Jean's children:

        2:2:4:1 George Robert Hall, 1869, New York State; d. 4 Nov 1871, Ladhope.
        2:2:4:2 Jessie Penny (Hall),1873, Govan; d. 17 Oct 1893, Tillicoultry

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2:2:5 William Penny:  Only record found was baptism in Dollar Parish records:

William Penny - 4 July 1842, Dollar
Wm. - son of Rbt Penny Plaisterer & Ann Monteath his wife, born 25 April and baptised before the congregation  


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2:2:6 In 1861 Robert Penny was lodging at 4 Newport Street, St Cuthbert's , Edinburgh.  He was aged 17 years and his occupation given as Baker.

Robert Penney (sic) married Sarah Carmichael, daughter of Angus Carmichael and Susan McKeith, on 13 Nov 1871 at Crossmyloof, Parish of Cathcart, County of Renfrew.  Robert was listed as Baker (Journeyman), 28y, Bachelor, Sarah as a Domestic Servant, 30y, Widow.  The usual residence of both was Crossmyloof, Cathcart.   The marriage was witnessed by Thomas McGregor and Mary Irving

In 1881 Robert, Sarah and their first 4 children were living at Campbell's Land Front, Pollockshaws Road, Strathbungo.  Their 3rd child, Susan MacKeith (sic) Penney, was born at Bellfield Lane, Portobello, Edinburgh in 1876, so perhaps the family spent a short time in Edinburgh around this time.   In 1879, at the death of their 8 month old daughter, Mary Carmichael Penney, they were at Campbell's Back Land, Strathbungo.  At this time Robert's occupation was given as Cook (Merchant Service).

By 1891 the family, which now included 7 children, was at 31 Govanhill Street, Govan and in 1901 the family was found at 9 Garturk Street, Govan.  On the night of 1901 census (early April), Robert Penney was not listed with the family at 9 Garturk Street and Sarah was "Head" of the household.  "Mr Penny" (sic), 57,"widower", baker, born Dollar was boarding with Mrs Firstbrook a 59 year old English born, widowed Charwoman at 17 Keyden Street, Kinning Park, Govan.

Robert was admitted to Glasgow Infirmary on 23 April 1901;  his address given as 113 Garturk Street.

Robert Penney died 6 May 1901 (4 p.m). at Victoria Infirmary (usual residence 9 Garturk Street, Glasgow) aged 57 years.  Cause of death: Fracture of the base of skull. Encephalitis from laceration.  His widow, Sarah Penney was informant.

The admissions register of the Victoria Infirmary shows that Mr Penney was admitted on 23 April 1901. He is described as a 58 years old, Protestant, baker. He was admitted to Ward 5.

Robert Penny, 58. Religion: P
Address 113 Garturk Street
Admitted 23 April; discharged 6/5/01.
Fracture of base subdural haem., Result: Death
History: Admitted today suffering from the effects of a fall.
According to the history obtained patient was found lying at the foot of a flight of stairs. He was on his back with the head downwards. Blood was coming from the left ear and about a pint of blood ? was lying on the stones beside him. According to the policeman who brought him here he was quite unconscious when found but how long he had been in that state it was not possible to find out.
There was no vomitus in the neighbourhood nor did any vomiting occur on the way here.
On admission he was smelling strongly of alcohol was fairly sensible however and could give his name and address. Blood was issuing in a now stream from the left ear and both nostrils but more from the left.
No paralysis of the ocular or facial muscles was noted nor was there any inequality of the pupils.
After administration of ..... and ..... the patient vomited several times but beyond being dark in colour and smelling strongly of beer nothing was noticed in it.

The family of Robert Penney and Sarah Carmichael:

        2:2:6:1 Robert Penney, 23 April 1872, Crossmyloof
        2:2:6:2 Angus Carmichael Penney, 21 Nov 1873, Crossmyloof
        2:2:6:3 Susan McKeith Penney, 21 Dec 1875, Portobello, Edinburgh
        2:2:6:4 Helen Penney, Sept 1877, Strathbungo
        2:2:6:5 Mary Carmichael Penney, Feb 1879, Strathbungo; d. 4 Nov 1879, Strathbungo
        2:2:6:6 Archibald Carmichael Penney, 5 June 1881, Strathbungo (my grandfather)
        2:2:6:7 William John Penney, 1884, Strathbungo
        2:2:6:8 Sarah Carmichael Penney, 6 June 1886, Govanhill

2:2:6:1 Robert Penney, the eldest son was described as 29 years old and a grocer’s assistant at 1901 census. He was living at home with his mother, Sarah and 5 of his siblings at 9 Gartuck Street, Govan, Glasgow. 

Robert emigrated to Canada in 1909 along with his widowed mother, Sarah and his youngest sister, Sarah Carmichael Penney.  At census in 1911 they were living at 546 Jones Avenue, Toronto East.  Robert was recorded as the head of the household and was employed 60 hours/week at a grocer’s store earning $624.  With them were also Robert’s married sister, Helen Forrest and her 3 Scottish-born children (John, James and Sarah) and Robert’s younger brother, Archibald. 

On May 12, 1915 in Toronto, Robert married Glaswegian Margaret Dunlop.  They both gave their age as 43 years. The witnesses were his sister, Susan MacKenzie and his brother-in-law, John M. Hay. 

Toronto city directories of 1912 record Robert as a clerk for J. Muir  and in 1915 and 1916 as a grocer at 195 Danforth Avenue.  In 1919 Robert and Margaret moved to the U.S and in 1920 census were found living in Lucile Street, Seattle, Washington.  Both were aged 46 and Robert was working as a lineman in the shipyard.  There appeared to be no children and a search of U.S. 1930 census for the couple was unfruitful.  A death record for Robert Penney (b. 22 April, 1872, Scotland; mother’s surname Carmichael) shows he died 25 Dec 1951 at Los Angeles Co.  

2:2:6:2 Angus Carmichael Penney was 26 years old, single and living with his family at Garturk Street in 1901.  His occupation was given as Sailor.  By the end of 1901 Angus was residing at 106 Stanley Street, Kinning Park, Glasgow (address of his cousin, Annie Dewar and her husband Hugh McKay).  On 31 December 1901 Angus (Seaman, Merchant Service) married Catherine C. Hay, a 24 year old domestic servant, also residing at Kinning Park.  Her parents were Boyd Crawford Hay, a ship caulker and Catherine, nee McDonald. 

In 1907 Angus emigrated to Canada followed the next year by his wife Catherine.  In 1911 census the couple were found in lodgings at 623 Bay Street, Victoria, British Columbia. Angus was employed as a labourer (on Street), working 48 hours/week for an income of $360pa.  In 1915 Angus and Catherine crossed to the U.S. and settled in Seattle where Angus was recorded at 1920 census as a steamfitter at a shipyard and Catherine a cook in a department store.  In 1930 the couple were living at Bennett Street, Seattle – Angus was now a mariner on a U.S. cable ship and Catherine a Janitress.  No census recorded any children for the couple.

Angus' obituary in the Seattle Times in March 1936 read:   

PENNEY - Angus C. aged 58yrs., 4354 Bennett St., beloved husband of Catherine, brother of  Mrs Susan McKenzie and Robert Penney of Toronto, Can.; Mrs Nellie Forest and William Penney, Glasgow, Scotland.  Member of Ranier Lodge No. 189.  F. & A. M. Services Wednesday 7:30p.m.  Columbia Undertaking Company. 
(It is interesting to note that no mention is made of his brother Archibald living in New Zealand.)  His widow, Catherine died in Seattle in 1947.

2:2:6:3 Susan McKeith Penney married John MacKenzie, a tailor, on 5 April 1900 at Gorbals, Glasgow and at 1901 census the couple, both aged 24y. were living at 98 Batson Street, Govan, Glasgow.  Their daughter, Sarah Carmichael was born there on 28 April 1901. 

In 1907 the family emigrated to Canada and at 1911 census were living at 941 Logan Avenue, Toronto. John was employed as a tailor at a store and was working 54 hours/week for an income of $672.  On 13 March 1913 their only child, Sarah, died at home of a pharyngeal abscess aged 11 years. 

In 1920 Toronto directory .John MacKenzie was described as a salesman for P. Bellinger Ltd and by 1923 was a salesman for Day’s Ltd and had moved house to 134 Morton Road.  In 1941 John was a salesman for Mossman’s and living at 56 Morton Road and in 1946 was a tailor at Dunn’s Tailors.  It was 1946 when his wife, Susan died and her Obituary in the Toronto Daily Star, Saturday, 20 April 1946 read:

MacKENZIE, Susan Penny--at East General Hospital on Saturday, April 20, 1946. Susan Penny, beloved wife of John MacKenzie, 50 Morton Rd. Resting at The Hallowed Funeral Home, 2793 Danforth Ave. Funeral service Monday afternoon at 2 o'clock. Interment Pine Hills Cemetery

John MacKenzie died more than 20 years later and his Obituary from Toronto Star dated May 18, 1967:

 "MACKENZIE, John - At Toronto, on May 15, 1967, John MacKenzie. In his 92nd year, beloved husband of the late Susane Penny. Private service was held at the Giffin-Mack Chapel, 2570 Danforth Ave. at Main St., on Thurs., 10 a.m. Internment Pine Hills Cemetery."

 
2:2:6:4 Helen Penney was living with her mother and siblings at 1901 census.  She was aged 23 years and her occupation was cigarette maker.  She married John Forrest, a draper at Kinning Park, Glasgow on 20 October 1902.  She was residing at 6 Maxwell Place at this time and was now a drapery saleswoman.  Their first son, John was born at 16 Watt Street, Kinning Park on 3 March 1903, son James was born in October 1906 and daughter Sarah in March 1910. 

In 1911 Canadian census Helen and her 3 children were with her brother Robert at 546 Jones Avenue Toronto.  The family had arrived from Scotland in 1910 and although Helen was recorded as married there was no husband John listed.  Was he working elsewhere in Canada or still in Scotland?.  Searches of Toronto directories and later U. S. census were unsuccessful.  It seems that Helen and children returned to Glasgow. Her death recorded in 1956 states her as widow of John Forrest, fruit salesman.  She died at 24 Auldburn Road, although her usual residence was given as 18 Bankhall Street, Glasgow.  The informant was her son, John Forrest, of 595 Cathcart Road.

Children of Helen Penney and John Forrest:       

        2:2:6:4:1 John Forrest, 1 March 1903, Kinning Park
        2:2:6:4:2 Robert Forrest, June 1906, Glasgow; d. Nov 1906, Glasgow
        2:2:6:4:3 James Duckworth Forrest, Oct 1907, Glasgow; d. 1912, Glasgow
        2:2:6:4:4 Sarah (Sadie) Carmichael Penney Forrest, March 1910, Glasgow 

2:2:6:5 Mary Carmichael Penney died on 4 November, 1879, aged 8 months.  The cause of death was given as Convulsion (teething) abt. 16 hours.
 

2:2:6:6 Archibald Carmichael Penney at 1901 census was a railway clerk, aged 20 years living at his mother’s home at Gartuck Street, Glasgow.  On 12 September 1907, at Dysart, Fife he married Margaret Ford Briggs, daughter of Thomas Briggs and Isabella (nee Galloway).  At the time he was residing at South Cromwell Road, Glasgow and was a railway clerk.  His brother Robert witnessed the marriage. 

Their first child Isabell Galloway Penney (Ella) arrived on 3 July 1908 at Loughborough Road, Dysart (Margaret’s parents' home), although the Domicile address was given as 405 Wellshot Road, Shettleston, Glasgow.  Their first son Robert Penney was born on 18 December 1909 at 320 Tollcross Road, Shettleston, Glasgow.

At 1911 Canadian census, Archibald was now living with his brother, Robert at 546 Jones Avenue, Toronto.  He had arrived in 1910 but his wife and 2 children were not listed in the census.  They presumably arrived late in 1911 as their next daughter Margaret Sarah Penney (Peggy), was born on 7 August 1912 in Toronto.  At census Archie was employed in an office earning $400 and in 1912 Toronto city Directory his occupation was listed as clerk with Canadian Northern Railway.  1919 records show he was grocer at 195 Danford Avenue so he possibly continued the business after his brother, Robert and his wife, Margaret moved to Seattle.

In the Spring of 1918 their son Archibald Carmichael Penney was born and the family sailed from Vancouver a few months later on 7 November aboard R.M.S. "Makura" for New Zealand.  They settled in Taupiri where Archie was storekeeper with a Percival Pugh Bynon Powell.  In the NZ Directory 1920 they are listed as Penney and Powell, Storekeepers.  Taupiri School records show that Isobel, Robert and Margaret Penney began school in February 1920 having transferred from Frankland School, Toronto.  Younger son, Archie died at Taupiri on 21 August 1919 aged 15 months after a month’s illness with broncho-pneumonia.

The family of Archibald and Margaret:

        2:2:6:6:1 Isabell (Ella) Galloway Penney, 3 July 1908, Dysart, Fife
        2:2:6:6:2 Robert Penney, 18 Dec 1909, Tollcross, Glasgow (My Dad)
        2:2:6:6:3 Margaret (Peggy) Sarah Penney, 7 Aug 1912, Toronto, Canada
        2:2:6:6:4 Archibald Carmichael Penney, 1918, Toronto; d. 21 Aug 1919, Taupiri, N.Z.

Archibald Penney died at his son's (Robert Penney) home in Hamilton, NZ on 25 June 1955, just 13 days after his wife Margaret died.


2:2:6:7 William John Penney was 16 years old at 1901 census and a jeweller’s apprentice.  On 10 March 1913 in Glasgow he married Mary Mitchell Scott.  The residence for both was 31 Morgan Street, Glasgow and William’s occupation was Engineer’s machineman.  Their daughter Mary Mitchell Scott Penney was born in 1914 in Glasgow.  William’s wife Mary  died in 1920 and William married Elizabeth Sullivan on 13 July 1920.  William was killed in 1939 during the blackout walking home from work.  His daughter Mary M. S. Penney married John Kerr and they had 8 children: Samuel, Myra, David, Robert, Jeanette, Elinor, Elspeth and Margaret.

Daughter of William and Mary:

        2:2:6:7:1 Mary Mitchell Scott Penney, 7 April, 1914, Glasgow

2:2:6:8 Sarah Carmichael Penney the youngest sibling was aged 14 years in 1901 with no occupation listed.  It appears that Sarah emigrated to Canada at the same time as her brother, Robert and mother, Sarah in 1909. She was employed by a telephone company (probably the company where her future husband John was employed), her annual income was $364. 

Sarah Carmichael Penney married John Murdo Hay on 1 July 1913 in Toronto.  John was also from Glasgow – his parents were John George Hay & Margaret Maclachan.  The witnesses to the marriage were J Hamilton & Margaret Hay who gave the same address 25 Chester Ave., Toronto.

Their daughter Sarah Carmichael Hay was born in 1915.  Mother, Sarah Carmichael Hay (nee Penney)  died at her home, 60 Eastmount Avenue, Toronto on 8 March 1920 aged 34 years, of puerperal sepsis – following the birth of son Ian M. Hay. 

John Murdo Hay followed a career in Bell Telephone Co., firstly in Toronto and then transferring to Montreal in 1922.  He married Alice Beryl Hayley in 1922 in Toronto and they had a daughter, Elizabeth/Betsy Haley Hay born in 1927.  John M Hay died in Montreal 11 May 1963. 

Children of Sarah and John Hay:

        2:2:6:8:1 Sarah Carmichael Hay, 1915, Toronto
        2:2:6:8:2 Ian M. Hay, 1920, Toronto

Sarah Carmichael Hay married Stanley Bount Johnston in Montreal in 1937; their divorce registered in 1944.  Her second marriage was to William Edward Pennoyer in 1947.  The couple appear to have had 2 sons – John and Michael (wife Barbara), step son Ian Johnston Pennoyer, and 2 grandchildren Jolene & Rhiannon. (ref: William Pennoyer Obituary).


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